lackpurity wrote:
> Lawson English wrote:
>> fritz wrote:
>>> "Lawson English" <LawsonE@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> fritz wrote:
>>>>> "Lawson English" <LawsonE@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>> fritz wrote:
>>>>>>> "Lawson English" <LawsonE@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>> fritz wrote:
>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>> i believe what i experience now is known
>>>>>>>>> as samadhi. my thoughts stop, then my
>>>>>>>>> breathing and my heartbeat. nisargadatta
>>>>>>>>> maharaj said that samadhi was just another
>>>>>>>>> form of sleep. he states that the 'absolute'
>>>>>>>>> perspective is the ultimate state. i feel that
>>>>>>>>> i occasionally touch on this 'absolute'
>>>>>>>>> perspective.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So if your thoughts have stopped, how do you know your breathing
and
>>>>>>>> heartbeat have stopped?
>>>>>>> thoughts may stop but feelings
>>>>>>> take a little longer to extinguish.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting, why do you believe this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Samadhi, ala TM, is where the thalamus starts blocking external and
>>>>>> internal sensory-info/feedback from passing through it. The Big
Three
>>>>>> senses for humans are sight, hearing and touch, all of which are
>>>>>> mediated by the thalamus. And you can't notice something without
being
>>>>>> able to label it on some level anyway, so to claim that you're not
>>>>>> thinking, yet still able to identify heartbeat and respiration is
>>> stupid
>>>>>> on its face.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And of course, no-one has ever been do***ented to voluntarily stop
>>> their
>>>>>> hearts anyway, not since better equipment has been used on various
>>> yogis
>>>>>> who make that claim.
>>>>> fascinating
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> *I* think this kind of stuff is. Here's a URL to an online book that
>>>> summarizes the research on several thousand studies on various kinds
of
>>>> meditation practices. It's years out of date, but still interesting:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.noetic.org/research/medbiblio/index.htm
>>> if that's what you find interesting try
>>> Zen and the Brain
>>> by James H. Austin M.D.
>>>
>>>
>> "How can an excessive activation far up in the cortex contribute to a
>> marked reduction of vision, of hearing, and of other sensations from
the
>> head and the rest of the body? An overstimulated cortex goes on to
>> excite the reticular nucleus of the thalamus. The reticular nucleus
then
>> blocks sensory impulses so that they can no longer be transmitted up
>> through its underlying thalamic nuclei. This inhibitory "cap" prevents
a
>> further excessive excitation of the cortex.
>> But more recent controlled studies have found that sensory stimuli do
>> cause the brain to generate evoked responses during "meditation," at
>> least as meditation has been broadly defined. Why should future studies
>> show otherwise? In fact, few studies have focused on those singular
>> instances when ordinary levels of meditation suddenly drop off into the
>> state of genuine deep internal absorption. These absorptions are rare.
>> They need to be carefully studied, at the very moment they occur, using
>> modern techniques" -Zen and the Brain, James H. Austin M.D
>>
>>
>>
>> Of course, unlike Austin's speculations about Zen, the reduction in
>> thalamic activity found during TM doesn't appear to be part of some
>> "overstimulation" of the cortex and the "absorptions" that he refers to
>> are NOT rare during TM, but happen all the time, albeit perhaps too
>> briefly to be noticed by the meditator under normal cir***stances.
>
> MM:
> It's better to look forward, not backward. We throw off the physical
> body, and function in the astral body, so there is no need to be
> obsessed with the physical. An adept can return to the body, and then
> all the functions normalize again.
>
> Michael Martin
>
Heh. Yoga means union. All this stuff about leaving the body is
anti-union. Simple relaxation of the thalamus is all that is required.
There's no need for extremes of effort and control, and those only work
in the most roundabout and long-winded way, if at all.
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