The 12 steps are a reasonable approach to improving ones self but,
provides
little to no value in actually staying "off" the stuff.
12 step programs end up being full of people with diminished life
expectations! Saying things like although my wife left, I got fired from
my
job, I am broke, homeless, and family wont talk to me "ITS ALL GOOD
BECAUSE
I AM SOBER"/
After 5 years clean seeing someone who is sharing a 2 bedroom apartment
and
working 12 hours a week and is satisfied with this ....does not equal a
successful program. AA is full of this. They also do not sup****t someone
who relapses like in Bill W.'s days. They alienate the person because of
the proposed risk.......funny thing is it is part of the responsibility
statement of AA.